Status of Gargoyles within the city

[Guest]

As you know, the Tremere of Sacramento have broken with long tradition in how we treat with out Gargoyle kin. We don't treat them as slaves and we afford them the same rights as any other member of our clan here. Also, Baroness Von Housen has seen fit to grant these same Gargoyles acknowledgment and in some cases status within the city. I urge the city to recognize this and act accordingly. I have already spoken in Elysium to others who have in my opinion disparaged particular members of our gargoyle brethren, and will do so again in the future if necessary.

[Raven]

Let me know what I can do to help in this situation.

[Solomon Gargoyle]

Haven't had anyone disparage me so far that I can think of though I would comment that I would ask people call me by name. "Stoneboy" for example is not my name.

[Vai Castillian]

How about rock cock?

[Solomon Gargoyle]

Do not think that you cannot be punished. I'd advise not engaging in such antics with the other Gargoyles. They seem to have far less control than I do and even that is becoming hard to maintain.

[Guest]

Calm down now Solomon. Ms Castillian, I thought I had made myself clear on this subject. Please refrain from using any of your vulgar terms when referring to Solomon or any other Gargoyle. We have plenty of other things to occupy our time with in this city.

I'm sure it's a harmless thing, as was Solomons allusions of any threat. However it would be best if this did not reoccur.

[Story Teller]

OOC: I haven't created the account on here for Gordon yet. However please imagine it is Gordon posting the following.

First of all...I appreciate that Richard is attempting to address this issue. Although I do appreciate it Richard...I'd like to point out that we aren't your Gargoyle brothers. According to our code, we are tremere. There is no distinction. We may look different, but if you're gonna accept us as equal, and you say we are tremere not gargoyles...then please stop addressing us in public as if we are some sort of second class citizen that you are so graciously accepting as an equal.

Please call us tremere, or shut the hell up.

[Guest]

OOC - Facepalm, Oi Vey.

First of all Gordon, fine. Tremere it is and I support the lack of distinction between us all.

Secondly, if you consider yourself as Tremere, then you should realize that you NEVER talk that way to an Elder, especially YOUR Elder in a public forum such as this. Your disrespectful manner is unseemly and your rash post, without ever talking to me personally and in private, undermines this whole topic. Your public mouthing off requires a public response. For the rest of the city, I am sorry. As to you Gordon, learn from this. Do not repeat this outburst, you are warned.

To the rest of you, to paraphrase Gordon, "Shut the hell up!" I tired of this crap. Disrespect the Tremere, any of us, at your own peril.

[Theseus Ahroun]

Looks like there may be some Gangrel blood still left in this one.

[Vai Castillian]

This politically correct BS is starting to bore me. Slap me on the wrist or call me a clan-ist or whatever you like, but I'm not going to tiptoe around the tremeregoyles like they're pretty, pretty princesses who can't be upset.

Solomon, either threaten me, or don't. I doubt your buddies appreciate you implying that they're uncontrollable thugs who can't keep their heads when the Nosferatu needle at them.

[Solomon Gargoyle]

I'm not going to tolerate your rudeness like your someone special whom the rules do not apply to. Your attitude of "I'm so cool and the rules don't apply to me", won't get you very far in this unlife. Your name calling is uncalled for here. I don't know what brought it on but I merely ask for you to stop. I don't think that's too unreasonable a request is it?

[Vai Castillian]

Solomon, I deeply, humbly apologize. I took you for someone who could handle being teased, but it's pretty clear now that I was mistaken. I'll be careful to treat you with kid gloves in the future, and confine my name calling to people who can take it in stride without resorting to threats.

[Solomon Gargoyle]

I took you for someone who could possibly be mature and polite but I see I too was mistaken. You don't know me well enough to assume that level of familiarity with me Vai.

[Marius]

I doubt anyone knows you that well Solomon.

[Solomon Gargoyle]

Thus it would be best to refrain from such teasing until they do.

[Marius]

Nothing shows a desire for respectability like the disdain of familiarity.

Familiarity can be a sign of respect though, from certain people.

[Solomon Gargoyle]

All the same, keep the stupid insulting names to yourselves.

[DelRay]

I would like to say that I for one like the Gargoyles and will and would fight by their side any night...... if they would want me too.... for they are honerable in my eyes ....

[Guest]

Let's put an end to this. Marius, If you would please direct that this forum be locked. Too much pointless bickering to no end.

[Solomon Gargoyle]

Thanks for the support Indy. And I know I said it before but thanks for the save earlier. Very creative use of Presence.

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